‘War Criminals’ or Common Murderers?
Posted by te2ataria on August 2, 2009
sent by a reader in Sewage City [Wellington] and edited by TEAA
Common criminals, rapists, murders and assassins, like their fathers, their fathers’ fathers and their fathers before them …
The phrase “War Criminal” is a bit of misnomer. They occupy other people’s country and wage a war of aggression against them, rape their women and children, and torture and murder their boys and men. Should they be called ‘war criminal’s or hired assassins and common murderers?
Whatever the answer, to the average Afghan victim, the semantics hardly matter!
New Zealand assassins [soldiers] stand accused of creating ‘ghost detainees’ by handing prisoners to American special forces without recording their names.
Once again, New Zealand has broken the Geneva Convention and laws against torture. New Zealand committed “war crimes” when our “elite” assassins, the so-called SAS troops, handed over 50-70 Afghan prisoners to the Americans at a detention center in Kandahar, southern Afghanistan in 2002.
The infamous “Camp Slappy,” as it was called by the US occupation forces, was a torture center. Prisoners who came out alive described how they were tortured by being beaten senseless, [possibly waterboarding] and left in the open to freeze in winter after being drenched in water.
In Kiwi troops in ‘war crimes’ row, Jon Stephenson of Sunday Star Times said:
The Geneva Convention and the UN Convention against Torture prohibit signatories such as New Zealand from torturing, humiliating or degrading prisoners, and from transferring them to countries that do so. Investigations are under way in the US and other countries into Geneva Convention abuses in Afghanistan at the time New Zealanders were transferring prisoners there.
The military disinformation machine claims that there’s no evidence the SAS directly conducted torture. Presumably, based on the argument that the assassins are only trained to rape and murder.
There is no evidence that the SAS was directly involved in torture, but New Zealand stands accused of creating “ghost detainees” by handing prisoners to the Americans without recording their names. SAS sources said that while height, eye colour and place of detention were recorded, the prisoner’s name and date of birth were not.
Top US international human rights lawyer Michael Ratner said that by failing to accurately document the names of transferred prisoners, New Zealanders were effectively enablers of abuse.
Let’s hope this is not a clever spin put on the atrocities committed by NZ troops in Afghanistan, which also attempts to create a “false bottom” to hide the true depth and extent of “war” crimes and crimes committed against humanity by these common murderers.
“It’s a war crime to keep a ghost detainee; it’s a war crime to let them be abused,” he said. “I’ve come to expect bad of the United States post-9/11, but I would have hoped New Zealand, which is a signatory to the [Geneva] Convention, would have obeyed the Convention.”
The revelations come as Prime Minister John Key considers sending the SAS back to Afghanistan. A decision is due this month, and yesterday Key would not discuss the war crime allegations. Labour leader Phil Goff, whose party was in government at the time, did not return calls.
The Labour leader Phil Goff, who’s one of the major players in the military disinformation machine, and who’s known as the “honorary CIA station chief in Wellington”, believes he stands a fair chance of competing with the Israel first Jewish PM, John Key, for political favours from the Zionist military establishment.
Rest of the article follows:
An SAS member in Afghanistan in 2002, when asked if there was concern about how prisoners would be treated at the Kandahar detention centre, said: “We sort of knew what would happen to the prisoners, Americans being Americans.”
A senior SAS source told the Sunday Star-Times he was “pretty sure” some of the prisoners ended up being sent to America’s notorious Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.
Torture and mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo has been criticised [condemned] by the Red Cross and a wide variety of human rights groups, with Amnesty International calling it “the gulag of our times”. Yet prisoners transferred to Guantanamo in 2002 from Afghanistan have said the physical abuse they experienced at the Kandahar detention centre was even more brutal.
SAS sources say none of the Kiwis visited the Kandahar detention centre. “We weren’t allowed inside,” said one. Another SAS member said the detention centre was at least half a kilometre away from the SAS quarters, and the soldiers could not hear anything or see much.
One SAS member who served at Kandahar in 2002 told the Star-Times the New Zealanders treated all their prisoners well.
Another SAS member said that when New Zealanders took prisoners in the field they treated them in a “firm but fair” manner. On one occasion they gave them chocolate, he said, while waiting for helicopters to transfer the prisoners to Kandahar.
“The real fun would have happened at the other end [at the detention centre], I dare say.”
Ratner, who teaches at Yale and Columbia law schools and is president of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, says the New Zealand government should have heard alarm bells as early as February 2002, when Bush and US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that alQaeda and Taliban prisoners were not entitled to prisoner-of-war status or the legal protections of the Geneva Convention.
“It was obvious to everybody what was going on,” says Ratner. “The New Zealand authorities knew that turning prisoners over to the Americans was very likely or very possibly going to cause inhumane treatment.
“How could New Zealand, no matter what the United States said, give up their obligations under the Convention?”
The Star-Times understands the issue of the American treatment of prisoners came up in April 2002 at a meeting called by the SAS commander, Lieutenant-Colonel Jim Blackwell, of commanders from the Danish, Norwegian, German and Canadian special forces.
A member of the Danish special forces stationed at Kandahar told the Star-Times that the meeting was held at New Zealand quarters and
said that Blackwell and several other SAS men were present.
“We knew the prisoners were not being treated the way they should be treated. We also knew that there were innocent people among them.” These two facts also caused concern to the New Zealanders, who were worried their prisoners were being mistreated by the Americans.
A Danish media investigation found that a special forces interpreter, working with US interrogators at Kandahar in early 2002, witnessed severe abuse and torture.
A fellow soldier told the Star-Times the man was deeply shaken by what he saw, but his complaints to superiors were ignored.
In March 2002 prisoners taken by Danish special forces were also seriously abused after being delivered into American custody at Kandahar.
The Danish government and military downplayed the incident, initially denying it had happened. One of the Danes on the operation told a journalist: “We felt very let down.”
Copenhagen University law professor Jens Elo Rytter said the Danish government made a political decision to trust the US to treat transferred prisoners well, despite evidence of mistreatment. It appeared New Zealand had followed a similar path, and “certainly, to my mind, that’s a breach of the Third Geneva Convention as well as the Convention on Torture”.
The New Zealand defence force’s top lawyer, Brigadier Kevin Riordan, said New Zealand took its responsibilities under the Geneva Convention and international law very seriously. [Codswallop, or bullshit, if you prefer, rear butt admiral!]
After one incident, the New Zealand commander at Kandahar “remonstrated with the Americans about the way they were initially handling people who were handed over to them”.
Obtaining somebody’s name in Afghanistan was not a straightforward process, said Riordan. Afghans often went by a number of different names, and to make sense of what they said “you would have to be able to speak their particular language, perhaps their dialect”.
The chief of the defence force, Lieutenant-General Jerry Mateparae, told the Star-Times that the rules about the handing over of prisoners had been tightened since the SAS first went to Afghanistan.
At that time, “our understandings of how others would operate were quite different, and subsequently we’ve seen some untoward things in terms of Abu Ghraib. That wasn’t on the landscape [in 2002]”.
However, Ratner said the Abu Ghraib torture scandal broke in April 2004, when US violations of international law in Afghanistan had been going on for more than two years.
Former Human Rights Watch investigator John Sifton, who investigated prisoner abuse at Kandahar, said it was a myth that the US torture of prisoners began at Guantanamo Bay and spread from there to Iraq. “It started in Afghanistan,” he told the Star-Times. “I find it difficult to imagine that anyone stationed at Kandahar did not know that abuse was going on.” http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2712026/Kiwi-troops-in-war-crimes-row
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pakeha 5th gen kiwi said
i agree with complying with geneva conventions ,if our country failed to do so ,that is a massive failure on our leaders shoulders ,who we ultimately elected ,which highlights our own shortcomings in morality and selection of suitable representitives.
[Keep the profanities for the five generations of your inbred family. Moderator.]
Trying to help a country that has surpressed the rights of there peoples for hundreds of years ,killing and raping there own people,beheading citizens for there political veiws ,thats right ,if you had been in Afganistan under teleban law and not confirmed to there rule ,more than likely right now your body would be rotting in a shallow grave(unlike NZ where to are able to express your political views ,no matter how twisted.
Bottom line these are NZ troops following lawful orders,they are front line troops and do not have the resource to catter for POWs,ultimately given the inviroment they are in they handed them to a facility designed to hold prisoners run by Americans if there was violations of the geneva convention they occurred outside of our the troops scope of knowledge or control.
lol if this makes it onto the blog,what you are saying about our troops degrades all of us,they may fight for the crown but they are warriors not criminals ,you disrespect them and there ancestors!
te2ataria said
Keep the profanities which I removed from your comment to the five generations of your inbred family.
“Trying to help a country that has surpressed [the correct word is suppressed you imbecile] the rights of there peoples for hundreds of years ,killing and raping there own people,beheading citizens for there political veiws[*] ,thats [*] right ,if you had been in Afganistan [*] under teleban [*] law and not confirmed to there rule ,more than likely right now your body would be rotting in a shallow grave(unlike NZ where to are able to express your political views ,no matter how twisted.”
The [CIA-trained] Taliban are not in power, you moron. And there have been many different kinds of government in power over the past “hundreds of years.”
pakeha military has no right to stay in occupied land, New Zealand, let alone go half-way across the world to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.
“Bottom line these are NZ troops following lawful orders…”
Wrong again! NZ troops are following orders that are breaching international conventions, and are therefore committing war crimes.
“… they are front line troops and do not have the resource to catter [*] for POWs,ultimately given the inviroment [*] they are in they handed them to a facility designed to hold prisoners run by Americans if there was violations of the geneva [*]convention they occurred outside of our the troops scope of knowledge or control.”
Their presence in Afghanistan is illegal [period.]
“lol if this makes it onto the blog,what you are saying about our troops degrades all of us…”
It’s the crimes committed by your &#@^%4* troops that is degrading YOU [assuming you started with above zero,] not what I say.
New Zealand troops are helping to maintain an unpopular, fraudulent government that has usurped power by vote-rigging. A brutal, criminal government which not only has massacred its own population, but is involved in the production of opium, processing and sales of heroin and other narcotics, as well as human trafficking [for a moment there it sounded as though I was talking about pakeha govt.]
“they may fight for the crown but they are warriors not criminals”
Wrong, again! They are murderers and criminals. In case you forgot the term, they are mercenaries and assassins who kill for money.
[* use a dictionary next time or will reject your post as illegible! ]